Talk:GSoC News and Tips

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audacity-devel content

This is an interesting idea, but if done regularly placing a digest of audacity-devel here will really mess this page up IMO. We don't have the space here to present it readably with bullet points. In any case the "highlights" don't have much to do with GSoC (though I know the point is to remind the students of what is going on in the project as a whole). Instead of this, why not create a separate regular page (carrying on after GSoC) that does just this - what's currently going on with ongoing development of the project? May even produce a few more sign-ups for the list. Then the GSoC news item is the new Wiki page.

PS: I used "Enrollment" as that spelling (US English) is that used on Google's documents.

IRC Security

Gale 22Apr08, 23:10 UTC: Interesting the broadband router did not help, generally though they are considered to be very beneficial as they act as a hardware firewall (and you're better to use one than not). Though a somewhat separate issue (more about preventing eavesdropping), encryption by using an SSL IRC client might possibly be discussed as a topic on the Irc page (by someone who knows about it)...

  • James Thousands of people use IRC without problem. My problems probably arose from using an inherently insecure operating system (Windows 98) with a not up to date IRC client, i.e. known exploits since my last update, on a popular IRC channel. The warning boxes are getting more and more unreadable, and possibly putting people off using IRC at all. Google are very keen on people using IRC. They see it as having a huge positive effect on projects. I'm keeping away from IRC myself, as long as I'm on any Windows machine that matters to me. It's probably over reaction, but it feels right to me.
  • My impression is a broadband router makes almost no real difference. Once malware starts to take hold it can download modules and communicate to the main botnet over any channel that's available. Even spam (random words) can have encoded instructions in it. It's too peripheral a point to be made here. There are any number of points of similar importance that could be made.
  • I'd prefer a much shorter warning both here and on the IRC page. "IRC can be a security risk. If using windows, ensure you have anti-malware software installed and enabled. Keep your IRC client software up to date with any security patches." This warning box and the one on the IRC page are good examples of word-creep where a simple point has become ever more complex and unwieldy. If more text really is needed, why not start a page 'security tips' - "IRC can be a security risk. See security-tips"?
    • Gale 23Apr08, 17:31 UTC: I do think reaction to the length is personal =:), but agree that the risk of putting IRC newbies off increases with the length due to the use of the alert box. So I'll prune it on both pages. I think though the creep happened because the wording may have been "slightly" too long/personal to begin with, then you added a comment about broadband routers to the warning box, and then I was concerned that people must not be put off using a broadband router per se. While I agree entirely once the malware takes hold the router makes little difference, in general principle using one is inherently far safer than just using a software firewall. I don't think we have enough expert content to have a "security tips" page, but the link I already added to the security page ought to cover that (and they strongly recommend a hardware firewall such as a router).

Older discussion

After student applications close

  • Gale: Is there any good tip we can post for what happens next after student applications close? Maybe modify the "getting comments on your proposal" section and archive the original here if it was useful?
  • James After new applications close, students can still add comments that are tacked on the end of their application, and so can we. Students should look at lifting their weakest aspect - e.g. if they still have no mid-term spin off, then they really do need to make clear what they plan via the comments. Students who want to edit the main part of their application can even do so (I believe) after they receive a comment to them from us, so a tip to them is that they can add a comment to say 'I want to update the timeline to include a Seven Keyboard Wurlitzer Organ Effect for the mid term eval', and then we'd reply and they could make that change.
  • James At this point we know how many slots we are likely to get. However Google prefer that we do not announce slot count, and take a very dim view of announcing which students are in and which are out before Google do. One reason is that this can change right up to the last minute. Organisations which do announce students (and get it wrong) might not be invited back.
  • Vaughan The process for deciding slot counts is described on the GSoC Mentors' Guide to the web app . There's a fair amount of negotiation and winnowing for Google deciding allocations. I think Google has documented the process extensively for mentors and students, so we don't actually need to give more guidelines. And we may not really *have* any news until the announce date.

Content of News and Tips

Amount of content present looks well judged, given the limited resources we have to do a newsdesk! About a line or so every two days until things quieten down. Really like the google logo, but worth checking FAQs to see if we really can use it - I know it's been discussed before. Might be safer to use a summer-of-code google logo instead - which I know we can - or have you already checked? (I thought google-code was wider than just GSoC). James 15:55, 27 March 2008 (PDT)

  • Gale: Google-code is definitely wider than GSoC but I could not find anything in the GSoC FAQs about a logo, except the GSoC logo for 2007. I can't find a GSoC logo for 2008, so followed Vaughan's idea where he used the Google-code logo on the main web site. I did find a project announcing its 2008 mentorship that uses the exact same GSoC image with the year removed. I think that looks pretty dreary myself (summer = black?) but I can use that for want of a better one if you prefer?
  • James: This is from GSoC Announce list. You might want to subscribe. "Behold the 2008 program logo: http:// tinyurl . com/2u7wqu. Possibly use a strip taken from the centre as it is a square 'logo'.
  • Gale: Not a terribly good logo for integrating in web pages is it? ("of" too small). I've done the best I can with it, within the constraints of stopping it overflowing into the news section at small text sizes without introducing too much white space. I can't see just taking "Summer of Code" and then just showing the Southern Hemisphere is an answer? Have subscribed to announce list.

Archived hints

Getting comments on your proposal

Now we are well into the student application period, the best way to get comments on your ideas, so they can be refined into a good proposal, is to post to your student dashboard . That way, you will get direct mentor feedback from Audacity. If you want to make your ideas public, or perhaps draft them out/make notes to yourself first, you can create a User Page on this Wiki. To create or view your User Page, simply type (without the brackets)   [ ALT SHIFT . ] . Accepted students will have their own project-specific Wiki page to discuss and report progress on their project when the time comes.