User talk:Milo

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Hi Milo I am just checking... is the new page here spam or is the content something to do with Audacity?

Thanks Gale

Traditional Chinese is not the main written words in Peoples Republic of China(PRC). In China they use Simplifed Chinese in writing. There are a little bit different between Traditional Chinese in writing. I'm not sure that the difference can be say as if color and colour. But in spoken in Simplifed Chinese and Traditional Chinese, they are quite the same. Like color and colour are pronouncing the same.

In fact, there were no Traditional Chinese and Simplifed Chinese before 1949. There was just one Chinese. At 1949, PRC established. They simplified the Chinese writing, and we have to distinguish them, so named them as Traditional Chinese and Simplifed Chinese.

It's a big topic. In China, we should distinguish the writing system and the spoken system. Because in China they use all the same characteristics to write. It is because of the far far ago, there is a Emperor he unifed all the writing characteristics to be the same. But there are still a lot of spoken languages.

Precisely, Simplifed Chinese and Traditional Chinese are telling the writing system. In spoken system, there are Mandarin(Official language in China and Taiwan), Cantonese(used in Hong Kong(H.K.)), Taiwanese(Taiwan), Hakka(Taiwan), blah blah blah. and they may use the same characteristics. Even there are spoken languages in China not using Chinese characteristics. It's quite a big topic. Someone says that the the variety of languages in China may like the variety of languages in Europe. I don't know if that is true.

The differences in spoken(Mandarin in China and Taiwan) are custom. In U.K. we may say trash bin but in U.S. we may say trash can.(Just take as a example.) So do Mandarin in China and Taiwan. They may use different words(not only different in writing, but also different in words) to say the same thing. (Just take a bad example: assume that bin may spelliing as binn in US, so in UK we say trash bin, but in US we does't say trash binn.)

BTW, not only Taiwan uses Traditional Chinese in writing but also Hong Kong and other places, but the words are a little bit different, too. I just think that I should distinguish them like English(UK) and English(US). There can be Chinese(H.K), Chinese(China), Chinese(Taiwan)... Maybe there are another good ideas to distinguish them.

-Milo 23:44, 22 July 2007 (PDT)


Hi Milo

Yes I will remove Traditional Chinese Tutorials because you agree.

Thank you for the discussion of Traditional and Simplified Chinese. It was very interesting


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Writing character Chinese character(or Han character) Chinese character
Writing language Chinese(classical) Chinese(in Mandarin)
spoken language Mandarin, Taiwanese, Shanghainese, ... Mandarin, Taiwanese, Shanghainese, ...

I didn't look it up. It should be character, not characteristics. 漢字(Han-zi) in Japanese says kanji and in Korean says Hanja. Let's combine the Traditional Chinese characters and Simplifed Chinese characters together to discuss, because they are the same in deed.

P.S. Han(漢) is another Dynasty. and zi(字) means character.

Before May Fourth Movement, what we write in China and what we say in China are different. What we write calls Classical Chinese, and what we say are different between each regions. And they could write to communicate because they wrote in the same characters and in the same writing language(Classical Chinese), but they could not talk to communicate because they told not the same language.

Classical Chinese exists in writing. Although people could speak Classical Chinese articles in their own languages, pronuonce each characters in their own languages. But in daily life, they would not talk in Classical Chinese.

(An example: In germany 'A' as 'ah' but in English 'A' as 'ay'.)

The language people wrote(Classical Chinese) are difficult(need educated). So some people launched the movement(May Fourth Movement). There were many topics in this movement, one is "What we write is what we say." They wanted to combine Mandarin and Chinese character together. So now when we see a Chinese character, the first language in our mind is Mandarin but not other languages.

And Simplifed Chinese and Traditional Chinese in fact are related in the way we write the characters but not languages.

And the Mandarin in China and Taiwan are a little bit different.

--Milo 06:59, 25 July 2007 (PDT)